GSoC/2016/Introduction for Students (Meeting)
This is the log of the IRC meeting that was held on March 10 for students to get started.
*** Users on #smc-project: puneet_ jerin kaakku suraj spechide asdofindia gem arushi malayaleecoder m_ @stultus Apollyon anushbmx noteness Irumbu_Moideen sagarhani jp-logger manu-chroma grambot bsc wm-bot4 santhosh_ @jishnu7 santhosh @ChanServ <stultus> shall we begin? <spechide> ok [20:29] <stultus> hope everyone is here <malayaleecoder> I am in :) [20:30] <jerin> present. *** arushi_ (arushi@nat/iiit/x-opdtgekgkwtpenme) has joined channel #smc-project <suraj> yes <stultus> jishnu7, asdofindia bsc Irumbu_Moideen <stultus> bsc, please take a log [20:31] <jerin> is nkn__ not attending? <stultus> jerin, this is just a general meeting for students [20:32] <jerin> stultus, okay. <stultus> ok. so <stultus> I suppose everyone is applying for the gsoc for the first time [20:33] <suraj> yes <spechide> yes <malayaleecoder> yes <jerin> yes. <arushi> Yes. * asdofindia 's first GSoC too [20:34] <stultus> the main purpose of GSoC is to spread opensource culture among students [20:35] *** tachyons (~tachyons@unaffiliated/tachyons) has joined channel #smc-project [20:36] <stultus> So we are expecting the students to be passionate about a few things [20:37] <stultus> 1. Technology (obviously) <stultus> 2. The FOSS philosophy <stultus> 3. The Community * tachyons reading [20:38] <stultus> mainly this should be the main motivational factor for participating <stultus> the stipend google gives is an added advantage. but please don't apply just for the money. If money is the motivation you should try to get a freelance project instead [20:39] <asdofindia> About 2 & 3, many students might be new to open source development. So I wouldn't call it a hard requirement. <stultus> I'm not saying that the students should be already familiar with 2 & 3 [20:40] <asdofindia> But, the hopes that Google has and we have is definitely about cultivating that passion. <stultus> as an organization this is our 4th time in gsoc [20:42] <puneet_> yes <stultus> most of our past gsoc participants are currently very active in our community [20:43] <stultus> some of them are possible mentors <stultus> and they are contributing code/effort whenever they get time. [20:44] <stultus> so during gsoc, we are looking for more community members <stultus> So I hope everyone is already (mentally) part of the community [20:45] <spechide> yes <puneet_> Yes <arushi_> yes! [20:46] <stultus> This is our main expectation for GSoC <malayaleecoder> Sure is <tachyons> +1 <stultus> Now lets move to the process <puneet_> ok [20:47] <stultus> students can propose(officially) their projects from 15th onwards <spechide> ok <stultus> projects can either be one selected from the proposed ideas ( http://wiki.smc.org.in/GSoC/2016/Project_ideas ) [20:48] <stultus> or something that the student proposes (which is not listed in the ideas page) *** copyninja (~email@example.com) has joined channel #smc-project [20:50] <stultus> if you are proposing a new project, it should be our organizations domain(indic language computing in our case). or something that a community member can mentor *** SREENADH (75cc65da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.104.22.168) has joined channel #smc-project [20:51] <stultus> once we have the proposals in hand, we will evaluate those proposals <stultus> the criteria for evaluation will be different for different projects <stultus> but mainly, we will be looking for the following points [20:52] <stultus> 1. is the student technically capable to complete the project? <stultus> 2. is s/he showing the community spirit? [20:54] <stultus> 3. is s/he able to communicate properly to the community(mentor) wrt the project (implementations,hurdles,new ideas etc) [20:55] *** gem (~firstname.lastname@example.org) has quit: Ping timeout: 246 seconds <stultus> 1. will be clear from the proposals and other code-level interactions (small bug-fixes, and other communications) [20:56] <stultus> after the evaluation, we will be shortlisting the candidates. <stultus> and we will prioritize the projects. (I'll tell you why) [20:57] <stultus> and after this process we will request the number of slots to google [20:58] <stultus> ie if we find 5 proposals as good enough. we will ask for 5 slots <stultus> but it is upto google to allot the slots [20:59] <stultus> they will have a pre-fixed budget and all, and based on that, they'll allocate the slots. <stultus> if we request for 5 slots, we will get <=5 slots. and if the slots are < 5 [21:00] <stultus> we will select the students based on the priority list <stultus> ^ hope this is clear to everyone [21:01] <stultus> any doubts ? <puneet_> no <malayaleecoder> All fine <spechide> What bug-fixes should I do to prove myself to the community? [21:02] <stultus> spechide, I'll come to that point *** imAKHILc (75d0df57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.22.214.171.124) has joined channel #smc-project <spechide> ok *** imAKHILc (75d0df57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.126.96.36.199) has quit: Client Quit [21:03] <stultus> Before that, lets see what we are expecting from a student <suraj> FIne <spechide> ok <puneet_> Yes.I want to work in android project, indic-keyboard. What all fixes sould be done? *** imA4c (75d0df57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.8.131.52) has joined channel #smc-project <stultus> 1. while communicating with the community (either through irc or the mailing list), you should follow the basic etiquette [21:04] <stultus> this will be a good read on that - http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [21:05] <asdofindia> spechide, puneet_ . Keep in mind that figuring out which bugs are important, which bugs are fixable all by oneself also proves a point. *** tachyons (~tachyons@unaffiliated/tachyons) has quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds *** vineet (~Thunderbi@184.108.40.206) has joined channel #smc-project [21:06] <stultus> Please don't expect spoon feeding from us. It is completely fine to ask for help. but that should be your last option. [21:07] <spechide> sorry <stultus> when you are stuck, use a search engine to find if a solution is already available for your problem <puneet_> sorry *** tachyons (~tachyons@unaffiliated/tachyons) has joined channel #smc-project <stultus> you don't have to apologize now, we know that most of you are new to this kind of a community culture [21:08] <stultus> so I suggest reading the above document (the link that I pasted above) <stultus> and after trying everything (searching online, searching through the mailing list archives) if you are still stuck, feel free to ask in irc or the mailing list [21:09] <stultus> someone will help you. [21:10] <stultus> also this is one place where you can show the community spirit. *** gem (~email@example.com) has joined channel #smc-project <asdofindia> talking about community culture. Imagine it is Gandhi Jayanthi and some people are cleaning up a road in your place. You just go in there, see what's happening, and help in whatever ways you can. [21:11] <stultus> If you see someone asking for help, and if you know how to help, you should jump in and help them <tachyons> please provide link for irc log , so that latecomer can catch up the discussion here :-) <stultus> tachyons, will do [21:12] <stultus> for example, <stultus> you might have spent hours to get the codebase running. and after that when you see someone complaining about some errors that block them from running the code, [21:13] *** vineet (~Thunderbi@220.127.116.11) has quit: Remote host closed the connection <stultus> you know how you passed that hurdle, so you should help them <stultus> this is how a community works. according to the hacker culture, no problem should be solved twice, so share your knowledge with others, help them when they are stuck, this is how we progress [21:14] <asdofindia> (IIIT people can sit together in their labs!) <stultus> that reminds me of this -- http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html [21:15] <stultus> try to read this when you get time :) <jerin> hehe <arushi_> :P :P <puneet_> ok :D [21:16] <spechide> ok ;) <stultus> one more thing you should keep in mind is that <stultus> all of us have our dayjob and other responsibilities. we all are volunteering here in our free time (or the time that we find specifically for this purpose) [21:17] <suraj> I'm not from IIIT : <stultus> so if you don't see any response from a mentor, chances are high that person might be busy with something else <stultus> so please give them some time to respond. and if he is not responding even after a considerable amount of time, it is completely fine to remind him [21:18] <stultus> but please respect their time and schedule [21:19] <stultus> also please don't send personal mails to the mentors. <stultus> all of our mentors are there in the student mailing list. if you send mails to that list the respective mentor will see it. <asdofindia> info: #smc-project and #silpa are both logged and monitored by most of the mentors. So, everyone is reading your questions. [21:20] <stultus> they might have created filters to handle the mails to avoid distraction. so if they get 50 mails per day from wannabe gsoc aspirants, they will be in trouble [21:21] <stultus> so please use the mailing list. <stultus> there is one more advantage in using the mailing list <tachyons> Also it will make things more transparent . <stultus> ^ yes [21:22] <stultus> and more than one student will have the same doubts. if we discuss those in the mailing list, other can benefit from that too <stultus> that is also part of the community culture <stultus> any doubts ? [21:23] <malayaleecoder> No <spechide> no <SREENADH> understood :) [21:24] <puneet_> if we need to ask about a particular project, should we ask on their respective irc channel? <imA4c> :) <stultus> puneet_, if it is a general question, you should ask in the mailing list <puneet_> ok [21:25] <stultus> puneet_, if it is an urgent thing , you should use both mailing list and the irc <stultus> puneet_, if it is a small thing (if you are stuck while compiling etc) you can ask in irc <stultus> and for libindic related purposes use #silpa channel [21:26] <stultus> and for varnam related purposes use #varnamproject channel <stultus> for all other purposes use this channel <asdofindia> IRC = good for quick one-line communication. Email = good for long, thoughtful communication. As you participate, it becomes intuitive which channel is good for what. *** frog_ (73758751@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.104.22.168) has joined channel #smc-project [21:28] <stultus> and please don't initiate one-to-one chat in the irc without asking first. [21:29] <stultus> start by reading the documentation and the code of the project that you are interested to contribute [21:30] <stultus> then try to get it running in your local machine, if the documentation is out of date, you'll understand that during this process. <stultus> if that is the case, contribute by updating the documentation (README/install instructions etc.) [21:31] <stultus> then check the issue list. <stultus> and try to fix the existing issues. <stultus> selecting the issues are totally upto you. that will depend on your skillset and your interest [21:32] <stultus> but please check with the developer before trying to fix them. because,sometimes the issues list might be outdated [21:33] <stultus> I think I already explained how to be in touch with the mentors and the community [21:34] <stultus> there are 4 mailing list that might interest you. <stultus> 1. smc-discuss - the main smc mailing list (there will be conversations in malayalam in this mailing list ) <stultus> 2. silpa-discuss - for libindic [21:35] <stultus> 3. maling list of varnamproject <stultus> 4. students mailing list - for gsoc and other mentoring purposes <stultus> you can find the links from the smc website and gsoc page in the wiki [21:36] <stultus> ok? <puneet_> yes <stultus> these are the main things I wanted to convey. <stultus> hope I was able to communicate those well. <SREENADH> yeah :) [21:37] <stultus> please ask any questions if you have. (and feel free to answer the questions that you know :D ) <malayaleecoder> Ok <spechide> ok <Apollyon> hello, wasn't there in the beginning so I just read the chat and now I am caught up * stultus is going out to buy food. so will be afk for a few minutes <malayaleecoder> stultus, log of the channels ? [21:38] <asdofindia> I'll post the log as soon as the meeting is officially over <Apollyon> @stultus thanks for the briefing <malayaleecoder> Alright :) <asdofindia> and the meeting is over if there are no questions. <Apollyon> okay :D <asdofindia> so, any questions? <stultus> here is the logs - http://paste.debian.net/413919/ <Apollyon> I have a couple of doubts <stultus> log* <stultus> asdofindia, please send the link to the lists [21:39] <stultus> asdofindia, and handle the doubts :D * stultus is afk <asdofindia> Apollyon? [21:40] <Apollyon> Is it possible to know priorities ? I have heard that some other orgs are giving priorities and I am new to this org and that is why I am asking <asdofindia> I was wondering why nobody asked that. <suraj> I had the same doubt :) [21:41] <Apollyon> Completely understand if you guys are no reveling them <asdofindia> We will hold a meeting of mentors and see if we can come out with a list of priority *before* the student application window. <Apollyon> Oh it would be great if you guys do :D [21:42] <Apollyon> would help us in making a better proposal ourselves <asdofindia> But it would be wise to choose a project that suits you best rather than choose the top priority. [21:43] <bsc> Try to participate in a project that you feel you can do. Not the one that have "high" priority. <grambot> �05stultus�: Priorities <Apollyon> true. * jerin is wondering what grambot is. <grambot> �05stultus�: 1. If student A's seems to be more capable than student B - his project will get more priority [21:44] <asdofindia> Also, we might have to change the priority based on the strength of application. <grambot> �05stultus�: ^ that <spechide> What is grambot? *curious* <asdofindia> grambot is a bot that communicates telepathically with people who are afk [21:45] <suraj> What if multiple students are interested in the same project?... <grambot> �05stultus�: I think this is already explained in the process session [21:46] <spechide> asdofindia: how does grambot work? can you share the source code? "if it open and consumable to the general public" [21:47] <asdofindia> yes. whoever is best for a project will get that project. <Apollyon> Also, How many seats are you expecting this year ? [21:48] <asdofindia> we weren't selected last year. Google decides the number of seats, ultimately. [21:49] <SREENADH> Hi, I went through the project ideas listed and would like to know regarding the projects under unconfirmed mentor section as am interested in one of it :) <Apollyon> Yeah I noticed. That was why I asked if there was some kind of estimate that you guys are given [21:50] <grambot> �05stultus�: We will confirm the mentors within a day or two [21:51] <asdofindia> you can see the details of past years at http://wiki.smc.org.in/GSoC and we had 5 projects last time. <asdofindia> So, around that number is a reasonable expectation. <grambot> �05stultus�: But feel free to discuss the idea in the mailing list <grambot> �05stultus�: That reminds me to link this years pages in that page [21:52] <Apollyon> Okay nice [21:55] <Apollyon> 5 seems like a good number <asdofindia> SREENADH: be assured you will find a mentor if you are serious about any of those ideas. <stultus> Also, keep in mind that, you can work on the project even if you are not selected for GSoC [21:56] *** frog_ (73758751@gateway/web/freenode/ip.22.214.171.124) has quit: Ping timeout: 252 seconds <stultus> and the mentors will be happy to help everyone <SREENADH> Actually that idea is my major project for my BTech course and is successful wrt project completion. would love to contribute more :) [21:57] <SREENADH> glad to hear that :) <stultus> and I think the most difficult idea among the listed one is the spellchecker. [21:58] <Apollyon> these projects do seem intersting and will definitely continue contributing even if I am not selected for the program :) <stultus> I'm not telling this to demotivate anyone. but that idea is there from 2013 onwards <asdofindia> SREENADH: wonderful! Shall read more details in the list. [21:59] <stultus> ie we were not impressed on any of the proposals on that idea from 2013 onwards. <stultus> so there will be enough details about that idea in the mailing list archives <stultus> also check the previous proposals (it will be there in the wiki) [22:00] <stultus> ^ if you are planning to take that idea <asdofindia> To paraphrase a British PM, "when the project gets tough, only the tough coders get going"
...a happy conversation followed.